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welcome back everybody a cool little

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show today it's a bit of a shorter show

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uh we've got uh Mr Ben Hansen on the

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show today uh and he's a bit pressed for

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time so we told him to keep it short and

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on point and I'm excited what do you

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think Jay I'm looking forward to this uh

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he's uh been on TV and he's a fantastic

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guy to talk to and uh I think you posted

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online not too long ago that he's coming

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on and you mentioned that people were

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really reacting to this so I'm I'm

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looking forward to this yeah he's super

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popular right now and again you've seen

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him on UFO witness and uh some other

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shows been doing it for a while and uh

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we can ask him anything and in our usual

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flavor we're gonna try to get right to

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the the brass tacks of things so uh

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stick around we'll be right back with Mr

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Ben hence

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good buddy Jason

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Gilman hey how's it going Louie it's

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going really well excited for our guest

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today uh you've seen this guy on the

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Discovery Channel he's the host of UFO

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witness you've also seen him on shows

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like ghost of Morgan City uh Fact or

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Faked among a few others and uh he's

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somebody that's on The Cutting Edge

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right now of putting out good quality

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information if you haven't checked out

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his shows you definitely should but we

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wanted to have a brief chat today with a

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friend of ours now Mr Ben Hansen so

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welcome to the show thank you thanks

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guys thanks for having me on yeah thanks

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for finding some time for us we know

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you're a busy guy and you've got paid

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gigs and this isn't one of them so thank

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you for your time

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but tell our guests or our viewers a

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little bit about yourself and what got

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you into this whole making TV shows

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about UFOs and aliens

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well you know the the UFO subject's

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always been probably my first low well I

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guess you could say you know back in the

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day it all used to be called paranormal

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um and now they they begin to say

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paranormal is the ghost stuff and UFOs

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is a separate thing and now it's uaps

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and anyways

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um I I remember you know like clipping

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out newspaper clippings in the 80s and

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and that was kind of my first

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I was really into space wanted to be an

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astronaut like the kids too

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um but every now and then I'd see these

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articles

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on um these UFOs in the 80s was a pretty

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big flap this is when you eat out this

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is when you know Close Encounters that

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was the 70s but it was like

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something to me that it was almost like

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forbidden to think about and it was

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really geeky I mean like if if you

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talked about UFOs people like they put

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that in the Tabloid section you know the

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grocery store and so I was afraid to

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tell anybody I was into it except my

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parents really encouraged me uh my dad

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would bring me books instead of like

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reading novels like most kids I guess do

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that they made in school I would read

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Project Blue Book or you know stuff

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about Roswell and

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um so I always had an open mind to it

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and then later uh you know through high

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school and stuff I

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kind of stumbled into the the paranormal

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ghost hunting things and that's when

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when the show

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Hector faked came along

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um and and not to you know Nag on any of

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the other TV shows but a lot of them I I

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think were kind of formed because

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someone was a good host

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and maybe an actor right and then

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they're like hey do you like the

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instead of the other way around you know

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where somebody was totally into this

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stuff and knew a lot and then they're

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like hey do you want to do TV

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so that was me I never planned on being

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on TV at all

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um you know my degrees and background

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were in totally different things but

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when the opportunity came along

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they wanted to do just a ghost

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um and and kind of be a sister you know

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uh show to Ghost Hunters which was on

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sci-fi

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YouTube and people you know looking up

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stuff and and so that's how the concept

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we helped create was but I convinced

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them I give myself credit you got to do

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UFOs you got to do everything

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yeah right because there's so much of

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this and people are putting out videos

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of of things that are obviously hoaxed

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some that you know we're not sure

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and people want to know what the truth

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channel I've done some ghost shows but

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um they kind of wanted me to take over

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the UFO stuff and um as you guys know

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because you're totally into this it's uh

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it's almost like you could teach a whole

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curriculum

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um in a cult and there are people

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pushing for this to teach a degree in

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ufology like there's enough info out

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there because it's all about uh history

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of the world really right yeah you know

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and everything that you could cover and

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everything to know about cases and you

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know development of technology so

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anyways I could talk forever about that

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it's fascinating to me well there's two

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aspects to ufology I think before 2017

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the article for New York Times

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um that changed things in ufology I

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think that you know more people came out

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of the Woodworks and said hey I've had

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some experiences programs have started

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heck this podcast started right after

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that right so it's it was like a a

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movement but then there's the before

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where I couldn't even address the

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subject with co-workers at work without

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getting laughed at right and uh that

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lasted forever and I just remember that

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growing up I never shut up about my

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experiences and uh or my experience I

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should say and uh as a kid but people

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just regarded me as being completely

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um you lived through those times as well

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like did you notice a shift after 2017

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like was were people treating you

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differently at that point

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um yeah my shift probably came a little

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um you become kind of like the BART or

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the psychologist said it's okay to talk

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to right so like if if I'm sitting there

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and and at a party or even a grocery

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store and someone's like so what do you

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do and you know I say well I host TV

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shows and stuff and they like

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oh what kind and and then sometimes I'm

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a little embarrassed there used to be

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oh it's like ghosts and UFOs oh really

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and then then they're like let me tell

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you about the thing I saw and so

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um I I think people were drawn to me

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earlier on than the 2017 but I think

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um when that came out it was almost like

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okay for people professionally

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government-wise everything for people to

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say like well they were waiting for that

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stamp of approval right

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um kind of from the government and then

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report and and once they got that the

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approval that said look we're not going

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to say alien but it it could be this

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other thing we don't know because we

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can't solve this

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for the first time ever you know then it

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is weird but I think there has been a

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shift like that and you'll see it in the

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survey polls with people you know

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claiming that um more that believe or

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believe the government's not telling us

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everything yeah yeah I find it

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interesting too that you know we

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interview guys like Jim semivan a former

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CIA spy and he's having experiences guys

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like George Knapp who've been

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investigating it they had weird things

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happen and I I saw you were on

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Entertainment Tonight talking about

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celebrities and their UFO encounters and

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experiences anything you can share in

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regards to that because it is a global

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phenomenon yeah and celebrities it seems

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like they they seem to well they both

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care and they don't care

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you know like when they come out and say

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something and it's like they don't care

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standing out some of them you know if if

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they make you know something that could

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be shocking some news announcement

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but we don't care because I think people

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put them on a battle and they think well

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they're not like us

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no they're almost exactly they watch the

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same shows they do the same things and

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um so I've I've had a few of them you

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example uh you know Ricky Schroeder had

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talked about some stuff he's seeing on

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his Ranch you know

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and um you've got of course people who

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get into it Demi Lovato and Jack Osborne

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and you know I've helped and done stuff

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quest of Their Own

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you know so I think they do represent in

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that you know are saying um there's

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um you know like are we ever gonna see

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like the the uh the place where people

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kind of differentiate themselves is like

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the optimism whether we're gonna have

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disclosure or not right you know

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um so it things are accelerating though

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we were talking about

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um not too long ago but just experiences

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and you know the amount of people that

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have had experiences and that includes

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the celebrities because even the people

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in the Department of Defense I mean we

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were talking about uh Jim semivan uh

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while he's a CIA agent he wakes up

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middle of the night with three little

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gray guys you know in his room

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he's working for the Department of

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Defense for Crown out loud like he's an

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active agent and yet he's experiencing

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these you know uh effects or these uh

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entities so for me it's like okay if the

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people inside the Department of Defense

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are experiencing this that means it's a

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lot more prevalent than you know

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previously thought I don't know what

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you're right your thoughts are on the

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abduction phenomenon but do you think

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that it's as much linked to this UAP

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issue or like what are your thoughts on

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like when let's say you get into

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researching this and and you're like

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okay I'm opening the possibility of

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sightings

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right Close Encounters of the first

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second kind and then you go along with

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the Continuum it's like okay well if

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people have seen them is it possible

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they've landed all right I'm open to

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that and then have they physically

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interacted and so you have your

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abductions and not necessarily A logical

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linear progression but you could say

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there's people over way over here now

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who are saying they know the agenda

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right and you get the hybridization

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programs and and all of that so it

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doesn't necessarily follow that just

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because you believe something back here

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that this also is true down here

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um but as far as abductions go I had a

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real hard time with that and I still do

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it with lots of them because

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um there there is obviously a larger

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proportion of people in this field of

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study who do have

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special conditions I would say some of

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them it might be a mental health

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concerns but also

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sleep paralysis for things that could be

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mistaken for it

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um but

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um I think the most well-known and

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documented case is the Travis Walton one

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in my mind

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and and call it lucky or not

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but he was lucky enough to have six

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other Witnesses with him right and and

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so a lot of these cases that don't have

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that

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uh they you know like you may never even

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heard of their story but with Travis

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says that he was physically gone for

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three days you had seven people taking

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polygraphs multiple times law

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enforcement everything that the trace

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evidence that you know that was found

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it builds a really strong case that if

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you want to call it an abduction

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that something happened with an

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interaction from beings from another

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world or dimension right so if that one

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case might be true that's what really

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opened my mind that how can you just

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easily dismiss other things you know

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Betty and Barney Hill or

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um you know the Pascagoula you know case

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or stuff like that and so it's bizarre

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as it sounds that's what really opened

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my mind to abductions now that doesn't

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mean though that I get emails all the

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time people are like oh well okay he

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believes so let me tell you my story you

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know I woke up and I was in a ship and

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everything and

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and they they have nothing else not

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their fault perhaps but they have

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nothing else to say that it was nothing

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more than a really weird dream right

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does that make sense and so I can't I

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don't put my stamp up of approval on

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things and say this is true this is not

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science is a matter of probability

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and so I say look likelihood that

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something happened to Travis Walton very

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likely in my book

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but we weren't there right so we don't

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know exactly how it happened

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yeah and I think I think your new uh

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your new show UFO witness does a good

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job of giving those people the

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opportunity to tell their story and

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again like we get the same thing people

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feel like we're a safe space so they

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know they know they're not going to get

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judgment per se so they tell us

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everything and some of it's pretty crazy

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like in a good way and some of it is

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just like you have to be crazy because

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there's no way right but it's hard but

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one thing I wanted to talk about is on

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your show and we've had a few people

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from your show like Melissa Tittle who's

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co-hosted a few episodes with you she

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was on uh Thomas ferrario we've had on

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but it to me I found it interesting that

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in your the last season anyway the

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number of different species these people

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are reporting they're not just Grays

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there's like manted creatures and all

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this other stuff so what are your

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thoughts on the I mean I guess it makes

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sense that it wouldn't just be one

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species if there's one there's probably

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Millions but what are your thoughts on

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the the varying number of different

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kinds of encounters that people are

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reporting

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well I think you make an excellent point

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there too that you know

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um

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there there's uh the the very important

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thing is that you let people feel like

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they can talk and be open about it and

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and I feel kind of like I'm a journalist

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just gathering information in this

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series because

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uh some of it is pretty far out there

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and I try not to place my judgment on it

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um sometimes the way that you know the

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the edit of the show comes out it makes

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it sound like I'm full in on an agenda

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perhaps you know that they're like

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they're here to invade us or

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something like that and and those topics

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are explored because those are theories

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that a lot of people are you know

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pushing and saying this is what's going

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on

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and then I get emails from people saying

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well you're not looking at the

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benevolent stuff and everything I say

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well those are also important

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this particular show and and the

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witnesses have ex very traumatic things

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um and I think just about anybody who

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has had a so-called abduction experience

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would not tell you that they there was

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no you know in a tinge of fear initially

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some of them come to terms with it but

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for most people like it's so weird and

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strange and scary they're terrified at

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first

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and some you know change later and like

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okay I'm all right with it so the point

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is um when it comes to the species right

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um I don't think there had really been

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another show that tried to break down

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and look for the patterns

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um now drawing the connections

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personally

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I don't think there's enough information

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out there to say we explore the topic

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but to definitively say these ones are

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flying this type of craft or this or

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that there's just not enough info for

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that right um we listen to people

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we we try to draw patterns but the truth

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is

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like the grays for example and and

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people debate this when were they did

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they come into

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um pop culture at what point you know it

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may have been the movie that was done

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you know betting Barney Hill in the late

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60s

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um or Whitley Schreiber you know and and

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the picture on communion that that face

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but a lot of this stuff predates

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anything coming in in the pop culture so

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it's like how were people coming up with

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these exact descriptions of reptilians

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or things like that they didn't know

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each other

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and kind of peeling that apart

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and seeing how there might be something

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to this

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you know that they might be working

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together

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um it's it's a phenomena that is just so

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confusing and complex what I really

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turns me off though is When someone

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tells me they know the whole thing and

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they're like no these ones do this that

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one does that I know I know I I'm a

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liaison to them I know everything right

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I'm like well I can't refute that but I

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don't think anybody knows personally

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well that's so much going on yeah but

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that's a problem within the realm of

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ufology

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um it's just there's a messiah complex

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right like I'm the person that knows the

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answer yeah or I I will show you the

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answer but for a fee

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um there's a lot of people that do that

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right so it's and that's a problem right

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and I I think uh we mentioned that

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before in a another podcast that uh you

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know what's more important is that

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especially in this field is that we all

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get along right we don't have to have

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the same theories or the same ideas but

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that we get along on because there's no

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like definitive proof there's nobody

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that knows the answer at least not one

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person right so yeah that's cool that

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you said that yeah it's cool yeah I

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absolutely agree and it comes to the

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sightings as well because

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one uh the things I've been doing

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recently with these um the pilot

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reported UAP sightings

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um the likelihood that most of this

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stuff now which which I fully admit in

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the videos I've been making

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um that I had brought up the idea that

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there might be some new configuration of

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satellites

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you know and that uh some orbits we

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don't understand in ways that they look

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like they're turning they may not be

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and I brought that up but I gave it a

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very low likelihood you know and looking

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into it and researching it more

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um I do believe the majority of these

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are probably some new satellite but

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um what I don't understand like why

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can't we all go back to like high school

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science you know and learn the

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scientific method again what what is

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wrong with people like

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yeah you know scientists if if ever a

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scientist and I had a professor who told

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me this I took a class in my undergrad

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and it was called does ET exist it was

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it totally fulfilled one of my you know

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undergrad requirements it was on class

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but the very end of it

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um after building up all of these

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theories in the Drake equation we talked

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about he says at the very end he says

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okay knowing everything that we've

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studied now it's impossible that E.T

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could be here it's impossible

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and we're like what and he says he

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started bringing up the same tired

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explanations of like it's too far to

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travel you know when when you approach

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light speed the mass of the craft gets

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bigger blah blah blah it's not possible

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and we know everything there is 99 of

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what there is to know about physics

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and I just laughed at him how the hubris

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yeah of these people to claim that

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humans know that much

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and and so when I approached things now

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in the same way I say look

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there's a probability of what we know

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now that this is the likelihood

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explanation you know that it is likely

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that it is explained otherwise

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we get new information theories are

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refined they change

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and we have outlier cases things that

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just don't fit that mold and you can't

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just toss that out

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that's where we make grave errors that's

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where Wars are lost that's where

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um you know civilizations crumble

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because they didn't see that one thing

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you know that was like they should have

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been looking at but they had this

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confirmation bias in their mind

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um so anyways that this is kind of like

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how I try to approach it and um to have

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an open mind

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um and where the facts Lead You is where

552
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,720
it leads you

553
00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:35,520
you've got a quote on your website that

554
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,080
says always stay curious and you'll

555
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:38,880
never be bored and I really like that

556
00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:41,039
our motto is are you paying attention

557
00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:43,380
like are your eyes open or are you

558
00:20:46,730 --> 00:20:44,760
looking or are you paying attention

559
00:20:49,370 --> 00:20:46,740
there's a difference so in terms of

560
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,380
curiosity and in your own personal quest

561
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,120
to find answers what do you kind of

562
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,039
what's your brain chewing the fat on

563
00:20:57,169 --> 00:20:54,960
right now like what's getting your mind

564
00:20:59,150 --> 00:20:57,179
going and what what are you thinking

565
00:21:02,690 --> 00:20:59,160
about these days

566
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,700
well um yeah I it's funny you mentioned

567
00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:04,080
that because

568
00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:06,780
I I hate the word bored I don't even

569
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,000
know what board is like

570
00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:11,760
I hear people during covert I'm so bored

571
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:13,980
I'm like so you can't go to work

572
00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:17,160
physically and now you're bored like is

573
00:21:21,529 --> 00:21:19,500
there nothing else in life that besides

574
00:21:24,169 --> 00:21:21,539
going to work and earning money and you

575
00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:24,179
know like I'm I'm one of the lucky ones

576
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:26,820
I think where I really love what I do

577
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,240
but being curious about

578
00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:33,360
um anything really is is what drives me

579
00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:37,020
and so I I'm so busy because I never let

580
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:39,000
myself just sit there and say like okay

581
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:40,559
what do I do

582
00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:42,780
right so

583
00:21:47,149 --> 00:21:45,179
um at the moment I think that the thing

584
00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:47,159
that is is most interesting like we've

585
00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:48,780
talked about is how

586
00:21:52,970 --> 00:21:51,000
the government seems to have a stake and

587
00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:52,980
a vested interest in this now

588
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:55,980
and we're seeing Academia start to break

589
00:22:00,830 --> 00:21:58,559
down its walls letting some other

590
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:00,840
professors you know like Avi Loeb or

591
00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,260
Gary Nolan or people talk about it

592
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:06,419
um and and so now we're having real

593
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:09,539
conversations and that to me is exciting

594
00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:11,820
right and so I kind of have my feet in a

595
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:13,860
lot of worlds

596
00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:16,020
um I'm trying to help Academia

597
00:22:21,289 --> 00:22:19,740
uh structure some lectures and series

598
00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:21,299
and things like that I'm trying to talk

599
00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:23,640
to people about Capitol Hill trying to

600
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,799
change some policies regarding uh pilot

601
00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:27,600
reported sightings so they don't feel

602
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:29,460
retribution or like they're going to

603
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:31,620
lose their job for reporting it

604
00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:33,960
right and then I'm working with the

605
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,580
population in general and people and

606
00:22:38,510 --> 00:22:37,440
trying to

607
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:38,520
um

608
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:40,260
well I don't know that I really have an

609
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:43,380
agenda there I just feel like if there

610
00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:44,580
is a shift

611
00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:47,400
and there's a change coming

612
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,080
um how much of it's going to be in our

613
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:51,600
control or not is Up For Debate

614
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:55,020
but you know I recently did my my thesis

615
00:23:01,730 --> 00:22:58,140
on these types of rally shifting events

616
00:23:03,289 --> 00:23:01,740
and if it's not done properly I think we

617
00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:03,299
could be headed for something really

618
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,440
dangerous

619
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:06,240
not necessarily from whoever that they

620
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:08,039
are right

621
00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:09,000
um

622
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,980
people might be right you know they

623
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:13,919
might be completely peaceful and no

624
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:16,559
problem there but the idea that we're

625
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:18,659
being visited will clash with a lot of

626
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:22,140
people's belief systems and it only

627
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:24,780
takes a small amount of people not a

628
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,299
majority at all a small amount of that

629
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:29,039
critical mass to create what we call

630
00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:32,580
cascading effects right and then uh you

631
00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:34,980
know we saw part of that in covid

632
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:38,340
uh got a small taste of it but we are so

633
00:23:43,850 --> 00:23:40,919
interconnected across the globe Supply

634
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:43,860
chains and everything else all it takes

635
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:47,100
is for a couple weeks shutdown for a

636
00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:49,020
country or the world to say like let's

637
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:51,419
take a breather and absorb what we just

638
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:52,919
heard this news

639
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,159
and few people panic and violence and

640
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,559
banks on the run everything the whole

641
00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:00,960
system comes down yeah you know so I'm

642
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:02,760
not a doom and gloom person and I'm not

643
00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:04,860
here to say that we're going to be

644
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,799
vaporized by a ray gun from you know the

645
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:09,600
ETS or anything I'm more worried about

646
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:11,640
the people yeah I'm more and worried

647
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,220
about us and and how that's going to

648
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:16,320
happen if it's not done properly

649
00:24:21,890 --> 00:24:19,799
even uh talking about the technology

650
00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:21,900
that these things have in reverse

651
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:23,340
engineering

652
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:25,740
it's more dangerous for us to reverse

653
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:28,860
engineer this technology than

654
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,679
um them being posing a threat to us

655
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:34,080
because I think for us it's always about

656
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:35,880
Weaponry we talked about that on the

657
00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:38,520
previous episode it's always about

658
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,380
um you know using the new technology for

659
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:42,240
Weaponry how can we use this to kill

660
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,460
people everything that we have in our

661
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,320
homes like even the microwave was first

662
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,960
invented by the military and now it's a

663
00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:51,120
regular thing we all have at home but

664
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,100
every new technology comes from

665
00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:55,440
somewhere and I'm just more worried

666
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,240
about them you know doing something

667
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:59,039
stupid with the technology we yet don't

668
00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:00,900
understand you know especially from we

669
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:02,760
keep hearing about crash retrievals and

670
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:04,260
reverse engineering and all that jazz

671
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,780
and if it's true that it happens I'm

672
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:08,159
more worried about that

673
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:10,440
um just you know us doing something

674
00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:11,340
stupid

675
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,380
yeah and I think we're kind of seeing

676
00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:15,120
the same thing that happened you know

677
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,820
late 40s when you know we discovered

678
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:19,260
that our country had invented the

679
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:21,299
nuclear bomb right

680
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:23,880
it's like that's why that is is the

681
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,000
highest well aside from perhaps the UFO

682
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:29,520
stuff that you know that's up there too

683
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:31,740
but the highly the most highly regarded

684
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:32,760
Secret

685
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,220
and classified work is to make sure that

686
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:37,919
nuclear technology doesn't get into Bad

687
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,380
actors hands right right and we have all

688
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,960
of these uh Nations we treat like

689
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:44,640
children basically because he's like no

690
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:47,400
you have a history of producing

691
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,460
dictators and crazy people who are would

692
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:53,039
easily push the button you know so we

693
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:55,740
can't let you have it and so yeah I I

694
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,000
don't know that would be much different

695
00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:00,240
if we had something like that uh you

696
00:26:05,149 --> 00:26:02,100
know energy directed weapon that could

697
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,159
just vaporize a whole country yeah we'd

698
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:07,559
have those same fears

699
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,260
um and uh again it goes back to fearing

700
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:12,720
ourselves fearing people and how we

701
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,039
treat each other

702
00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,799
you know so um not not really what

703
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:18,600
they're doing in the in the Reagan years

704
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:20,940
the Star Wars

705
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:23,220
um you know initiative and all that talk

706
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:27,299
was basically I think couched within hey

707
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,860
we're afraid of Rush and everyone else

708
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,360
we got to put silence but there was a

709
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:32,580
large part of it like we got to protect

710
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:34,380
ourselves from them

711
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,059
whoever they are

712
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,820
but in reality come on

713
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,039
how many thousands or millions of years

714
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:43,440
would we be behind in them

715
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:45,299
you know in technology so we're kind of

716
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,400
at their Mercy but at the same time

717
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:49,200
you have to

718
00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:53,700
Security Global Security

719
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:56,279
and not just pretend that there aren't

720
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,100
some that might have ill will towards us

721
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:01,860
you know so it's a lot of things at once

722
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,679
yeah even uh sorry Louie yeah I was

723
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:06,240
going to say even talking with some of

724
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:08,220
the the people we've had on

725
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,960
um they'll mention things like you know

726
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,000
be people being tucked back into bed

727
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,640
after being taken so most people are

728
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:16,159
brought back as far as we understand

729
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,179
otherwise they wouldn't have a tale to

730
00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:20,460
tell uh and it's not like you know

731
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:22,380
they've seen you know people just out

732
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,120
the airlock you know once they're done

733
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:26,159
with them that's what we would do as a

734
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:28,200
species we'd abducted something and

735
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:29,820
throw it out the airlock they have

736
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:31,020
plenty more

737
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:32,520
um well yeah there's some theories like

738
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,140
that though right I mean I still get

739
00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:36,000
people telling me you know like what do

740
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:37,799
you think about you know tens of

741
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:39,000
thousands of the people missing in

742
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,919
Alaska and I was like I think it was

743
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:42,720
created for a fake documentary called

744
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:43,980
The Fourth Kind

745
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:46,200
right we don't have documentation that

746
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,900
actually happened but there are people

747
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,840
and there are books that try and tie

748
00:27:55,789 --> 00:27:53,760
perhaps the tens of thousands of people

749
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:55,799
go missing every year right yeah

750
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:57,480
something strange like that that maybe

751
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,100
they are tossing them out

752
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:00,960
uh but you're right it's all speculation

753
00:28:06,649 --> 00:28:03,779
for the most part it seems like you know

754
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:06,659
if Bob down the street you know had an

755
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,140
abduction that he comes back yeah you

756
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,840
know so I guess there's that yeah and

757
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,400
you know they often get told you know

758
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,799
we're not here to harm you or this is

759
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:18,720
going to be okay so you try to calm us

760
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:20,100
down as freaky is probably that

761
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:21,900
experience might be for uh these people

762
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:25,320
but uh yeah at least I understand that

763
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:27,299
they're trying not to freak the out

764
00:28:30,909 --> 00:28:29,880
of us but uh they're not wearing clown

765
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,919
masks

766
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,840
yeah they come at you looking like it

767
00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:36,000
yeah that would be worse for sure yeah

768
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:37,799
Ben I know we don't have a whole lot of

769
00:28:41,409 --> 00:28:39,179
time with you today but I wanted to ask

770
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,419
like what's in store for you for 2023

771
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:43,679
UFO witness continuing are you working

772
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:45,960
on anything else

773
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,580
um so we're we're still waiting to hear

774
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,500
back generally I say that I can't

775
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,880
comment on anything

776
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:53,279
um because if it had been purchased you

777
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:54,840
know they want to make the announcements

778
00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:56,820
first but basically

779
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,980
um the the network stuff is doing their

780
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:00,720
Network stuff they had a merger with

781
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,919
Time Warner

782
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:03,960
and a lot of it just has to do with

783
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:05,700
budgeting there's a lot of shows waiting

784
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:07,980
you know to get renewed we really hope

785
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:11,820
uh that it will but um I'm continuing

786
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,279
doing mostly YouTube stuff

787
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:16,559
um creating these videos on these pilot

788
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,380
reports and trying to work with um you

789
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,640
know like I said different people up on

790
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:21,840
Capitol Hill

791
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,440
and trying to get some change you know

792
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:27,120
here involved and we're all waiting for

793
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:29,399
the new UAP report

794
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:30,840
I don't really think much is going to

795
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:32,100
come out in it

796
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:33,899
but it's going to generate more

797
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:35,100
discussion

798
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:39,360
and um hopefully hopefully it's not

799
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,539
an effort to shut down the conversation

800
00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:45,120
and that there's actually more unknown

801
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:47,700
more hey this is what we're doing we

802
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:49,080
agree with you

803
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,720
you know let's bring new Witnesses a new

804
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:53,340
round of that would be great

805
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:55,559
you know with the UFO um with the

806
00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:56,820
Congressional hearings we've been

807
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:58,740
hearing that that they're serious about

808
00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:00,120
doing that again

809
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:02,340
so there's a lot of momentum you know

810
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:04,500
and I just try to kind of Trot alongside

811
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:07,080
of it and whoever wants to have you join

812
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:07,980
in

813
00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:12,600
contact uh Congress or stuff like that

814
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,179
um I'm happy to help and uh

815
00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:18,000
so I I think a lot of that and then if

816
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:19,380
there's TV shows that come along there's

817
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:21,899
a lot of great stories a lot of great

818
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,120
things that haven't been told yet so I I

819
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:26,279
think people it's going to be a big year

820
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,779
okay and where can people find you

821
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:30,480
what's the name of your YouTube channel

822
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,419
um the YouTube is called hypocenter 101

823
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:35,279
and it's kind of a long word so probably

824
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,659
the easiest way is just to go to my

825
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:37,679
Twitter

826
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:39,720
you know on Facebook as always posts on

827
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:40,980
Twitter and then that will guide you to

828
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,460
it but it's um Ben Hanson zero zero h a

829
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and scn00 I was on my Twitter Instagram

830
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Facebook and uh I post uh the links

831
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there

832
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Channel playlist now

833
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:58,020
sometimes people come in and they just

834
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:00,360
click on the one video and they like

835
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:03,240
this is satellites or how could you say

836
00:31:06,649 --> 00:31:04,740
this is satellites I'm like well

837
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,659
unfortunately

838
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,580
something that's complex and I'm not

839
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:11,279
just saying this so that I get the the

840
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,279
clicks on my channel but some things do

841
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:16,880
require you you listen and you read

842
00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:19,620
right and people want to make up their

843
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:21,779
mind right away and I'm like if you

844
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,659
really want informed opinion go back and

845
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,480
see how this whole thing broke in August

846
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:28,980
and the progression of where we've gone

847
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:31,380
and what we've looked at uh and then

848
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,200
form your opinion you know I do the same

849
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,720
thing like if somebody comes out and

850
00:31:39,409 --> 00:31:37,919
says what do you think about the such

851
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:39,419
and such case

852
00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:41,460
I was like well I haven't read any books

853
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:42,899
on it yet I'm sorry

854
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,779
do you think so-and-so is a hoaxer like

855
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:47,520
my gut tells me there's something going

856
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:50,580
on but I'm not gonna make an opinion

857
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:53,820
until I have an informed opinion right

858
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,799
um you know and that takes time it's

859
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,299
worth having an opinion it's worth doing

860
00:32:02,870 --> 00:31:59,399
your own research so anyway that's it's

861
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,880
my little soapbox uh to tell people if

862
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:04,620
any of this matters to you

863
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:06,779
you got to pick up some books and you

864
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:08,820
got to spend some time in researching

865
00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:11,520
and looking into it well said Louie do

866
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,600
you got any final questions for our

867
00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:14,700
guest today no again thanks again Ben I

868
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:16,140
know we're pressed for time I really

869
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:17,460
appreciate you cutting out a little

870
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:18,840
piece of time for us maybe in the new

871
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:21,539
year uh or later on in 2023 we can get

872
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:22,919
together give us an update on what

873
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,840
you're working on but uh big fans of

874
00:32:28,669 --> 00:32:26,159
your work I know a lot of our viewers

875
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:28,679
are as well and uh yeah we wish you all

876
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:30,539
the best and I hope you keep killing it

877
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:33,179
awesome thank you absolutely we'll do it

878
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